I’m crying over this decision.......I mean it.

Why is it the United States keeps getting sold out to evil by its own citizens?  Why is it the United States keeps getting sold out to evil, fraud, false science excuses… When the answers are clear and obvious when objectively analyzed according to solid, supportable moral and valid reasoning?

Those treasonous leftists, liberals, et al are not so wholly uninformed and ignorant.  Which suggests that they are guilty of treason and acts against the good people of this great country and against the country.

This situation cannot continue as it is without a catastrophic failure.

I’m not cryin’, just angry.  How can five persons screw up what should have been an easy decision?

I don’t think there is a water cannon big enough to flush the filth from DC....

The scales of justice are broke.

The halls of congress are inhabited by weasels, slimeballs and drunks.....and we are the one’s who put’um there!

The White House........heh!

Instead of turning Iran into a glowing sheet of glass.......maybe we should start with that shit hole on the Potomac!

Don’t have room for more ammo, can’t hold my breath, so I’m stuck with waiting.....

Thank you Claire for your diligent research to bring these writings to us.
I’m numb from preparations for inspections at work, and this further bewilders my brain as to how such learned, respected persons could toss into the chipper the foundation of The Constitution, precident, and established laws--except if it is intentional judicial activism and not abject stupidity.

We need more SCOTUS judges like these two.

Can Justices be impeached? How?

Chief Justice Roberts:

”Not the rule of law, unless by that is meant the rule of lawyers, who will now arguably have a greater role than military and intelligence officials in shaping policy for alien enemy combatants. And certainly not the American people, who today lose a bit more control over the conduct of this Nation’s foreign policy to unelected, politically unaccountable judges.

I respectfully dissent.”

It is during times like these that I am very, very glad that both my biological father, Wallace Lundquist and my step-father Aaron “Bob” Anthony have passed on.  This kind of crap would have caused both of them to have massive strokes.

Both would have agreed with Roberts.

Dad Lundquist was a life long jurist and judge in Colorado. He left the Marine Corp in 1946, a 1st. Lieutenant, honorably discharged.  He spent his time on the bench writing decisions that served the people and the rule of law, based on the Constitution.

Dad Anthony was an civil engineer, a son of the South and spent three years flying B-24s and instructing young wanna be pilots when his tour in the South Pacific ended. He left the Army Air Corp in 1946, honorably discharged at the rank of Captain. He loved reading Buckley, Lincoln and Winston Churchill. He appreciated Stephen Ambrose and VDH.

Steppes ”charming mood” yesterday is just the beginning of a growing, glowing fire of pure and righteous anger stoked by fuel like this foolish, politically driven decision by the SCOTUS.

These idiots may want us all dead, or at the least, disarmed and powerless in order for their dream to emasculate and debase the Great American Dream to be put into effect.

They have forgotten a couple of salient points.  For the time being...We are the ones who still own weapons.  Most of us have been trained in tactics and the use of said weapons.

I don’t think it will take much more to tip the scales. To whit, I am forwarding an e-mail to Sondra from one of my high school classmates that clearly addresses this and other issues of securing our nation ”against enemies, foreign and domestic.”

Charles Krauthammer says that what the justices are saying is that it doesn’t matter that the Legislative and Executive branches have come to agreement on an item.  They are a super-branch and their decisions are more important than the other two combined.

Makes your Presidential choice seem a little more important since he will probably have the chance to replace at least three of the black robes .

Fucking Lawyers

If you want to get a chill, look who is paying the creep lawyers selling out their country by their “pro-bono” work for the terrorists.

I’m so disgusted that I have no words.

We are witnessing the fall of empire.

“Makes your Presidential choice seem a little more important”
meh… McCain voted to confirm 4 out of the five who voted for this…

Notice that Scalia did not say, ”Respectfully dissent.”

Sondra,
You’ve got mail.

We are witnessing the fall of empire.

And the rebirth of republic, one hopes.

Though I wouldn’t be too optimistic. Not while so many people are hyperventilating over the prospect of freeing some poor bugger who chauffered Osama bin Laden.

Real apocalyptic threat there.

I know, Sheikh......he was just some driver. Probably didn’t even know who his boss was. Leave the poor guy alone, everyone! He’s just trying to feed his family. Maybe take them to DisneyLand someday.

Real apocalyptic threat there.

I never worry about terrorists nuking us, i do however worry about a lone person and a suicide belt.

Of course, we wouldn’t have had to worry about this if we would have followed the geneva convention to letter and executed all persons captured out of uniform.

SNC,
Let’s go back even further. Why the hell didn’t we drop Thor’s Hammer on Iran when the “students” invaded soverign American territory and took over the US Embassy in Tehran in November, 1979. 

April, 1983 - The US Embassy in Beirut, bombed....no reprisal.

Oct, 1983 - The Marine HQ in Beirut, bombed....no reprisal.

Dec, 1983 - The US Embassy in Kuwait, bombed....no reprisal.

Sept, 1984 - The US Embassy in Beirut, bombed again!

Shall I go on?  The Madrid restaurant bombed in’85....The Achille Lauro hijacking....TWA flight 840, PanAm flight 103… The first WTC bombings in 1993, and on, and on, and on.

For 25 years, the US did as little as possible to stamp out the growing threat until four planes were hijacked on 11 September 2001.

Sheik.....STG, you pompous MFCS , if I were less of a civilized man......................................................... *deep breath*

Well, lets just leave it at this:

The time is swiftly approaching to carry this conflict beyond civil debate.

I’m still steaming!!!!

in all seriousness, i don’t think Sheikhie-poo is too far off the mark…

some of these unlawful combatants currently interned vicinity Gitmo are well past their “useful info” cut-off date.  i propose implementing a plan of either paroling them or re-patriating them to the nearest populated place in the immediate vicinity of their place of capture.  put a stockpile of captured weaponry 100 yards away.  let them out of the vehicle and remove the cuffs after explaining which way to the village, and which way to the weapons.  drive away.

the current SCOTUS decision merely throws things back into legislative channels for a do-sie over in fudging up the rules again under which unlawful combatants are held, and gives Congress the chance to actually follow past practice in deferring to the Executive Branch in determining such matters in wartime.

the Geneva requirement is a “competent tribunal” to determine status when an internee’s category is in doubt.  Congress bolluxed up the Military Commisions Act of 2006.  make THOSE idiots fix it.

U.S. Constitution; Article I; Section 9; Clause 2: The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

Article I defines the powers of the Legislative Branch, yet it was the Executive who suspended habeas corpus initially.  A lucky strike by twenty determined guys, which to This Nation’s great misfortune was timed to coincide with a Presidential Administration, so arrogant, derelict and ignorant, that they failed to fulfill the primary executive duty of Defending America is neither a “Rebellion or Invasion”.  The well known “leftist”, Judge Kenneth W. Starr, concurs.

U.S. Constitution; 13th Amendment; Section 1: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Is Guantanamo Bay a place place subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. Government?

Scalia, with his eloquent pen, speaks of common law precedence, yet he knows damn well that English common law was never fully assumed in American jurisprudence.  He plays a deceptive game of original intent, which intentionally does not even reach to the 13th amendment, which as legitimate superseding constitutional text, is the Supreme Law of the Land. Habeas corpus is a universal human right, which acts as a bar to the government’s legitimate acts.  It is preexistent and preeminent to the state.  It is not a magnanimous gift by a state to its people.  It is not bounded by citizenry.  To believe otherwise to to surrender a Natural Right, which is secured in its possession by the people up unto the state. This is a part of my birthrights as American born.  It has nothing to do with terrorists, and everything to do about not assenting to the theft of my, and everyone else’s rights.

“An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.”

Thomas Paine, “Dissertations on First Principles of Government”, 1795

I understand the argument advanced by some: that the normal remedy of release is likely not appropriate for a small number of the total who have been unjustly detained. This does not change the fact that these humans have been held illegitimately by an overreaching Executive, who claims he can lawfully exist without the very strictures of the only document which sceptres lawfulness to his every official action. Publicly charge these detainees, take them into a tribunal that religiously adheres to due process of law, and if the state is capable of securing guilty charges against them; Hang ‘em High.

I still claim my right as a freeman to petition the government for redress for the personal injury they have caused with the theft of habeas corpus (it is my natural right, and it has been stolen). I demand retribution for this heinous crime against my liberty.  What remedy can be offered?

You need to understand the depth and rectitude of intent.  I am the first born son in a family, which along paternal lines, is now three generations born in America, and which in all three generations, the first-born son served militarily with honour in a foreign war.  My long ago oath, sworn freely and with clear understanding, stated: “Against All Enemies, Foreign and Domestic”. I stand for Liberty, and will never concede. I suggest that those of you who have responded flippantly, think carefully; the time has come that you must choose.  There is no escaping this.

“If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

Samuel Adams, Speech, State House of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, August 1, 1776

If this makes me a “lefty”, so be it.  I sure the hell wouldn’t want to be like you…

You had me until the last sentence, and then you ruined everything you said afore it.

Bummer.

PS: we also have rules about enemy combatants.

a_knight - Go educate yourself on the Exclusionary Clause. While you are at it, explain to me how come 30 of the innocent lambs that were released were later involved in terrorist activities up to and including suicide bombings?

um, knight?  hey there bud.  can i call you “Kni”?

great, thx.

so anyway, Kni, our writ, that we habeus, is a writ that i, too, hold dear and close to my corpus.  in fact, i hold it so dear and corpusly that i hate to be just throwing it around, wasting it on foreigners who weren’t standing on sovereign US soil when we administered the habeus grabbus on them.  nor are they now standing (or squatting, more likely) on US soil, since Gitmo remains to this day Cuban soil for which we have one of those forever kinds of lease deals.

a_knight....which I doubt you are.

Allow this ol’ educated cowpoke say just a few words, which are a distillation of what we believe.

Your attempt to interweave the original word with interpretation and your own thoughts is.........a fucking joke!

Listen son.......I grew up with a Constitutional scholar. That is something you will never be.

Our agreement to abide by the Geneva Convention has nothing to do with the original statement....and this applies to you, asshole…

We are called to defend this country against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

This is not subject to interpretation.

Cuchieddie...........he’s all yours.

Sven,

The reason the thunder gods hammer has never fallen is because of the patrician urge of politicians to be a big bunch of pussies. Politicians fear putting boots on the ground due to the fear of the lefts mouthy bullshit. We would never have to put out troopers in harms way to destroy Iran. 2 carrier groups, a battery of aegis cruisers, and a large battleships task force combined with our newly equipped cruise missile subs and within 72 hours Iran would have no infrastructure. As you can tell from my strategy, i am a firm believer in scorched earth policy. of course i still believe that public hangings would be a good thing.

A_Knight, turn in your spurs.

I always wanted a spell check and now that i switched to firefox one is included. Woo-Hoo!!!! now i can sound edumacated

Hydro- you assume that Ruth Ginsberg is an American. Not true. I have proof that “she” is the product of an unholy liaison between Lucifer and a bovine named Betsy.

SN...Amen!!!

Its what Dad Anthony taught me.  Learn from the past or you are bound to repeat it.  He told me to read about Rome.....and Greece.....and the patrician families in Renaissance Italy.

The fear of standing firm, wielding a bigger stick and using it has died in increments while the bloated beauracracy continues to grow like a cancer over this land.

I wonder when will be our Concord Bridge?
What ridicule will it take, what monsterous death.

We stand, beloved, as cuchieddie said.........
Dancing on a razor’s edge, enraged, enflamed.

This is our land, blood let and redeemed in fire,
In constant battle to be truly responsible and free.

It comes to this, a whispered edge and breath
Blossomed red on a street corner cold,

In a blazoned hall of mirth and raucous loud,
On a dark, muddy corner, heroin bound.

Oh it will come and turn this unhappy world
Deep into war and war and snake dark

Venom to the innocents, it has always been.
And boots on the ground, blood on the sand.

Weep mothers, rage brothers, sisters cry.
Fathers silent die in a blood red mourn this:

Hard nailed innocent, a cruxificion lamb
Spake words resounding still…

I give my life for my brother, my family
I give my life for my county and...my God.

- And thats all I gots to say about this..........*cough* ......got any biscuits in there?

to a_kn:

I’m not a lawyer, but I think treaties are the only things that trump our Constitution, and we are a signatory of the Geneva Convention. So that makes the Convention, not any Constitutional clause, the guide for handling of POW’s and combattants.

The treaty text explicitly states that parties need not apply it to all conflicts, especially when the foes are not parties, and when enemies do not abide by its terms. No terrorist group is a party to the Geneva Conventions because they have not signed, much less ratified, those treaties. It is evident that Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban et. al. spurn the treaties as their horrific attacks on civilians and torture and murder of captives demonstrate. 

A section of the Convention gives POW privileges to “members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or authority not recognized by the detaining power”.  The terroists are not a regular force, failing to have insignias, symbols, uniforms, often hide among civilians, conceal their arms when expedient and do not have a recognizable chain of command.

If they were POW’s then we could hold them for the duration of the war, which continues.  But they are not legal combatants, not signatories to the treaty, have no national allegiance and thus are not entitled to Convention protections.

It is, or was, legal for U.S. forces to treat captured Al-Qaeda members as they did Nazi saboteurs during World War II - trial by military commission and execution by firing squad.
Some say that the detainees have not had a competent tribunal, but remember, no detainee ended up in Gitmo without a series of interrogations by U.S. intelligence officials. This process was intended to determine whether a prisoner was a terrorist combattant or an innocent bystander in the wrong place at the wrong time.
IMHO, we can hold them as long as we like, repatriate them to their country of origin, or shoot them tomorrow as the military and the executive determine.  The US civilian court system has no jurisdiction over these detainees.  The Convention supercedes the Constitution for these people barbarians.

*swoonz*
KisPers are so dreemy............

*swoonz*
KisPers are so dreemy............
couldn’t a said it better myself.

This is more than just a ‘poor decision.’ This is an effort of one of the three co-equal branches to elevate itself to Supreme.

Machetes have been brought out in other countries over less.
Last week, as a matter of fact…

Maybe the wrong justices had the same foolish misconceptions that a_kinght posesses?

um, knight?  hey there bud.  can i call you “Kni”?

RetRsvMike huuuuuurt meeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!