These people are really fucked up.

Sounds like New Orleans and Nagin

Actually, it’s more along the lines of finding out your brother or son, whom you’ve always been very close to, is a psychotic murderer/rapist/child molester.

It takes a while to get used to the idea.

Wait.

MrsT… al-Zarqawi’s been claiming responsibility for this crap long before THIS incident, c’mon!

Sondra, sweetie-it all seems kind of distant and unimportant until it happens to you or someone close to you. Remember 09/11? Prior to that, Americans completely ignored what terrorists were doing in the rest of the world.

I remember going through the airport at Vienna in 1999. I was shocked when I saw Austrian soldiers strolling around the airport in full uniform carrying automatic weapons. I saw this sort of thing frequently in Middle Eastern airports-and El Al, for example, always has such a soldier standing outside their offices in most airports. But it had never occurred to me that this sort of thing happened in European airports.  Then I remembered:

In similar scenes in neighbouring Austria, three gun men threw four hand grenades into crowds of passengers queuing to check-in for a flight to Tel Aviv.

It is understood they then pulled out Kalashnikov submachine guns as Austrian police returned fire.

This happened in 1985 Remember-Austrians and Italians really didn’t care very much about the fact that terrorists used their countries as havens and transit points until these incidents happened.

You have to remember-most Arabs view these people as “freedom fighters”. The impact and moral import of the terrorists’ acts don’t really get through to them until they have personal experience of what this means to innocent civilians.

Once again-it takes an enormous countervailing force to move a people from their inertia of “conventional wisdom”.

I totally see your point...but how about Israel....we’ve been appalled by what’s been going on there for years....

Israel is the worm in the Arab world,” he added.

Oh. that’s rich.  No need to comment further.  Nuff said.  Bah.

MrsT...I think you’ve pretty much nailed it

America did not completely ignore what terrorists were doing in the rest of the world. We were villified for stirring the pot whenever we acted, Lebanon 83.

The World, and our own Liberals, wanted to appease when most of the Dimocraps voted against rescueing Kuwait from Saddams invasion, 1990.

Do the people of Jordan not understand that almost all terrorist attacks for 40 years have been by muslims?? Maybe they don’t know about Vienna in 85. Or the Olympics in 72, or Rome Airport also in 85. or 9/11 here, or dozens by dozens of others.

Have Christians viewed abortion clinic bombers as “Freedom Foighters” or heroic? Answer, NO. And Christians hunted them down. No support, excuses, or denials. Same with Timothy McVeigh.

I am beyond fed up with the muslim world and its’ supporters denying, excusing, justifying, overlooking, mislabeling the murder and terror that is done by muslims. So now it hits home a bit and it hurts. What if all the victims were non muslim. Would there have been protests? I really doubt it. Maybe some bitching because their fav coffeeshop was a bit bloody and closed for a few days.

When are the muslims going to take it on their own inititive to stop the shit? It can be fought from within easier than by outside sources-us! When are muslims calling themselves American -muslims going to publicaly rise up and condemn muslim terrorism and support/conivance instead of denying, excusing and demanding their “rights” that they hardly paid for and don’t have in the mother land.

Do you guys already have an agenda of excuses ready to be used after the next attack in America? I support the War and hope we can push, pull, prod the Iraqis into a degree of freedom. It is for them, they should not have to be led. We are paying our blood for them, muslims. If it is successful, will it have to be repeated in 200yrs?

Allah at the bar

Do you guys already have an agenda of excuses ready to be used after the next attack in America?

I never make excuses. I only try to make yall understand why Arabs think the way they do. I would ask all of you to remember that it took total defeat, appalling civilian casualties, and more than 20 years before Germans, for example, started to come to terms with their Nazi past. And take a look at Russia and Eastern Europe-no one has even hinted at their citizen’s complicity in the worst genocides of the 20th century. What, you expect Arabs to be somehow more advanced than these people? Especially when they’re being presented with a neverending stream of anti-American and anti-western propaganda, almost from birth? Add to that the fact that you have people in the west really giving them a pass for the most horrendous acts, and you have the prevailing mindset of most in the Middle East.

Please don’t think that these people are stupid or evil. They are not. They’re just going through one of the most massive upheavals of thought, philosophy and religion in their history.

It is never easy to admit that your own people are wrong. Especially if you’re almost paralyzed by a perfectly horrible inferiority complex.

I still like ya MrsT.

The only “torn” should be whether to turn these animals over to the authorities alive or in installments.

MrsT,

Only one thing.  The Germans never came to grips with their past.  They may have rejected the Nazis, for the most part, but what drove them to that point is still there.  They have a huge blind spot and cannot see it.

As you understand the Arab world, I understand the German/Austrian mind.  They are my flesh and blood, I talk to them, blood in my veins kin.  It’s not that they are just saying what they think human beings ought to say, they believe it in their “head”.  It’s not in their heart.  When we talk they say the most unbelievable things, without even a hint of feeling or humanity and it’s the same old same old.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Go find out what the Russian name for German means.

Lewis,

That’s something I don’t know but off hand it probably goes something like, what’s yours is mine, Cousin Nicky.

Love, Wilhelm

The Russian name for German is Dumb

Lewis,

I’m not at all surprised.  Look at the history....dumb.

Good one.

I’ll bow to your superior knowledge about Germans, step. But it only reinforces my point about the Arabs.

Cousins, Lewis. DNA doesn’t lie.

Mrs. T you were doing very good until you got to your second sentence. Ashkenazi Jews-The Khazars are not related to the Arabs, we are Turkic and guess who conquered the ME- the Turks. This is very simple and we have been over this ground before. Who do you think is in Iraq as the majority today-people of Turkic descent-and that includes Kurds who are our cousins. Next you are going to have the Arabs related to Abraham.

Lewis, I no longer argue with fanatics. The only way you can get through to a fanatic is to swat him upside the head or give him a good, solid kick in the ass.

And since I have no desire whatsoever to be that close to you...you’ll have to excuse me. I’m dripping bubbles all over the carpet.

Mrs. T

Fanaticus

anyway you look at it you lose

Only a people can define themselves not some outsider in a bubble